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Wednesday, January 29th Daily Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 29 2014, 12:49 AM (17,629 Views)
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BeeBee
Jan 30 2014, 05:43 PM
elci525
Jan 30 2014, 10:58 AM
angie37
Jan 30 2014, 10:08 AM
Am I the only one who found it preposterous that the priest threatened to have the bullied child removed from the school and not the bully? I know that Aiden was a little brash and that this is soap land and Salem is a town run by the Horton and Brady families, but come on...
not really...it was to try to keep Aiden in order. I didn't read too much into it. I didn't feel Father Louis was really serious about acting on that "threat" or whatever.
I interpreted Father as trying to get Aiden to take it down a notch and try to find a solution to the problem that would allow both children to remain at the school but if he did not want to do so he did have the option of removing his son from St.Luke,he was not going to expel Ciara.
Aiden definitely realized what point Father Louis was trying to make because he immediately backed off and semi-apologized.
Hope, other than being out of the loop about what her daughter's been up to in school, hasn't done much. She's basically just stood there and let Aiden throw shit at her. (It's like Hope is channeling her inner KA - let people talk smack about you and make asses out of themselves, say nothing, and come out looking like the better person. lol.) That's not to say that she let him walk all over her, though.
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Jan 29 2014, 09:58 PM
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Jan 29 2014, 09:49 PM
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Jan 29 2014, 07:49 PM
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Jan 29 2014, 07:36 PM

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Yeah I didn't make myself clear.....I didn't mean to suggest I thought Abby didn't see the affair with EJ as more than what/how he sees it. Of course she does (which I don't have a problem or fault her for). I just disagreed she needed much more handling after that phone call with EJ in which she sounded painfully earnest. The reason EJ made the "nice to hear from you" comment was both to continue to play smooth, but also from a story pov to serve as the tiniest nugget of fodder to give her attraction extra life (not that she'd need more, what with all the flashbacks Days likes to throw at its characters). If EJ's intent was to make Abby go away, as it were, by making her believe he genuinely likes her and hasn't been manipulating her, it backfired (although, Abby seems to realize this anyway but doesn't care to an extent). So more than just the call made her giddy, it's that from it she wanted to infer extra meaning (these aren't opposing reactions...she was giddy because she found something hopeful, perhaps, in a non-sentiment). I am just suggesting she was thrown for a loop because she wasn't really fishing for more from EJ at the moment.

She might take his line as a sign he likes her. Or she might correctly conclude EJ was just making an extra play on her, which in turn might spur her to make an extra play on him. So where back to the maybe-I-will-tell-Hope thing. I wouldn't mind this being the case!
Honestly, I have a hard time analyzing ANY of the characters' actions because it's such a plot-driven story. Obviously they wanted to shake up Ejami, give EJ a secret hanging over his head for the wedding and inject some shock factor for ratings, hence Ejabby is born! They set up other plot points to make it happen (EJ keeping Kristen's secret and Abby getting suspicious about Nick), and now everything will be just a bunch of plot points until it's over in May. The characters and their motivations are so secondary to the plot that I don't even bother thinking about them too much. If I did, the story would just be that much worse to me. At it is, the story is dumb, but the fallout could, maybe, hopefully be entertaining. That's pretty much the best I can hope for. But yeah, other than that, I'm just assuming the characters will act in whatever way they need them to act during that particular episode. Any consistencies with how they acted in the previous few episodes (or the previous few months for that matter) is entirely coincidental, LOL.
I see what you're saying about everything being about plot points but honestly if TPTB wanted to "shake up Ejami", a cheating storyline--especially with EJ, should've been the last way to go as a plot point if indeed Ejami is "endgame". I can't recall one single relationship on this show that has survived cheating. Couples can survived Murder attempts, rapes, and all kinds of lying but cheating--especially more than a ONS which can be more easily forgiven-- is a kiss of death in soaps as a romantic couple.
Austin and Carrie.
Maggie and Mickey.
Shawn and Belle.
Lexie and Abe.


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BeeBee
Jan 30 2014, 06:01 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 03:00 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 12:00 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 10:13 AM

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I remember Will and Gabi behaving like adults, considering all their options. Will did seem taken aback by the abortion but agreed because Gabi wanted it, and it was later thrown in his face. He also offered to marry Gabi, and in context, it seemed like he was willing to put his sexuality aside and try and make it a "real" marriage and it was Gabi who, while touched, knew the folly of that.

It seems to me that things only went south when Nick found out about the pregnancy, and later when people like Sami and Rafe found out, nobody actually seemed to think anything about what Will and Gabi wanted, were capable of doing and what was best for the child. Will and Gabi were the ones initially who seemed to handle things correctly.
You are right! I think it didn't help that Gabi is easily influenced.

As for the point I was making about her being with Nick despite his clear homophopia, fer sleeping with Nick right after his "hate the sin, love the sinner," speech was really off putting. If my boyfriend (he wasn't even her boyfriend at that point) said something that bigoted and our talk didn't change his views, it would be the end of us.

I respect people who are able to hold to their principles even in their relationships with others.I know people who are bigoted but don't realize they are engaging in bigotry.
Instead of cutting them out of my life,I look for opportunities to change their views for the better.When they make a bigoted remark I just present an alternative view without shouting and getting in their face.Sometimes they slowly change their view on a particular issue sometimes they don't but I don't give up trying to find a way to persuade them to change their view.
I agree with you that reasoning with people is important and that's why I said ".. and our talk didn't change his views.." If the person persists on being bigoted, then he's not someone I want to spend my life with or be friends with. It's different if it's great uncle Bob spouting off crazy bigoted shit, because you only see him during Thanksgiving holiday or other family gatherings, but someone you're going to spend the rest of your life with is different.
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Jan 30 2014, 02:51 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 11:30 AM
One thing I noted with the Ej and Abby phone call was that he seemed to be genuinely happy to hear her voice and to talk to her. Maybe it finally dawned on him that Sami simply will never love him the way he wishes she would? She will always think the worse of him, she will never see him being on the right side of anything, regardless how many times he helps her get out of her messes. She will never trust him, etc. I think he realized yesterday that his relationship with Sami is a lost cause. What I don't understand is why he didn't just end it yesterday and be done with it. He's already cheated on Sami, now he's developing feelings for Abby as the phone call scenes depicted yesterday. He won't WANT to stop himself soon....if Sami doesn't react soon (which I think she will next week), I could see Ej finally coming to the conclusion that Sami isn't worth it for him, not when he has Abby willing, able and wanting him.
That's why I don't get the idea that EJ really loves Abby but will try to make things work with Sami. Why on earth would he ever do that? If he decides that Abby makes him feel like the king of the world and that Sami makes him feel like shit, why wouldn't he just dump Sami? It can't be the kids because the idea that EJ DiMera would deny himself being with the woman he loves just so his kids are in a consistent home environment is even more laughable than the idea that EJ is nobly fucking Abby to save Sami. Seriously, I can't imagine a plot point that would be less consistent with EJ's character than that one.
What about not wanting to admit he was wrong?

EJ is nothing if not arrogant. Imagine finding out your pursuit of the last seven years wasn't really worth it. He'd stick with Sami just to prove a point.
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Just wanted to throw in my two cents about the whole Aiden/Hope thing. Sure, Aiden has lots of attitude, but that has nothing to do with the fact that his son is being bullied. And by the priest threatening to dismiss Aiden's son, it like the kid is still the one being punished. Just because its Ciara that's the bully, it shouldn't be looked over and Hope needs to get a firm handle on her. With bullying being a huge issue, the writers need to portray it realistically instead of glossing it over. The fact remains that Aiden's son is the victim.
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^Of course and that's a valid point. However, Aiden's concerns about Chase doesn't give him carte blanche to be a bully in his own right. He was rude and insulting to Hope. One wrong doesn't make a right. What kind of example would that even be? It wasn't like the school had shoved his concerns aside, dismissed them and said, "so sad, too bad." I could see him being angry and frustrated if he'd exhausted all channels and nobody would listen to him. But they were just getting started with the process of handling the situation. Finding out what the truth was and how to solve the problem. All Aiden was doing was creating another one, and deflecting attention away from an admittedly serious situation that does need immediate attention. As he admitted, he's overprotective of his son, and he was out of line. Father Louis shut him down and then he and Hope took the next step by scheduling when they would meet. All that other stuff was unnecessary drama. I liked it because it's a soap, and so drama is good.
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lazydazes
Jan 30 2014, 08:06 PM
Just wanted to throw in my two cents about the whole Aiden/Hope thing. Sure, Aiden has lots of attitude, but that has nothing to do with the fact that his son is being bullied. And by the priest threatening to dismiss Aiden's son, it like the kid is still the one being punished. Just because its Ciara that's the bully, it shouldn't be looked over and Hope needs to get a firm handle on her. With bullying being a huge issue, the writers need to portray it realistically instead of glossing it over. The fact remains that Aiden's son is the victim.
I don't think anyone's looking over the fact that Ciara has been nasty towards Chase. If they had been, Hope & Aiden wouldn't be hanging out in the principal's office talking to school authorities about what's going on. I think that Hope is still somewhat walking on eggshells while talking to Ciara because she doesn't want Ciara to think that she's an evil parent, especially since she's the only parent Ciara has right now. At the same time, Hope does understand that what Ciara has been up to is wrong and Ciara needs to stop and apologize. I wish we had gotten more than the one Hope/Ciara scene. But I do think that it's safe to say that Hope thinks that Ciara's acting out at Chase because he raves about his dad & Ciara's dad is off wherever.
Like Reese said, Aiden's behavior was inappropriate, and in no way better than what it seems that Ciara has been doing to Chase. Just because Ciara isn't getting along with Chase, it doesn't give Aiden the right to throw insults and accusations at Hope.
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Supergirlx2
Jan 30 2014, 06:30 PM
BeeBee
Jan 30 2014, 05:43 PM
elci525
Jan 30 2014, 10:58 AM
angie37
Jan 30 2014, 10:08 AM
Am I the only one who found it preposterous that the priest threatened to have the bullied child removed from the school and not the bully? I know that Aiden was a little brash and that this is soap land and Salem is a town run by the Horton and Brady families, but come on...
not really...it was to try to keep Aiden in order. I didn't read too much into it. I didn't feel Father Louis was really serious about acting on that "threat" or whatever.
I interpreted Father as trying to get Aiden to take it down a notch and try to find a solution to the problem that would allow both children to remain at the school but if he did not want to do so he did have the option of removing his son from St.Luke,he was not going to expel Ciara.
Aiden definitely realized what point Father Louis was trying to make because he immediately backed off and semi-apologized.
Hope, other than being out of the loop about what her daughter's been up to in school, hasn't done much. She's basically just stood there and let Aiden throw shit at her. (It's like Hope is channeling her inner KA - let people talk smack about you and make asses out of themselves, say nothing, and come out looking like the better person. lol.) That's not to say that she let him walk all over her, though.
I did find it odd,however,that Father Matt appeared to have known about the problem between Ciara and Chase but no one from the school contacted Hope.
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Jan 30 2014, 10:36 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 06:30 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 05:43 PM
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Jan 30 2014, 10:58 AM

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I interpreted Father as trying to get Aiden to take it down a notch and try to find a solution to the problem that would allow both children to remain at the school but if he did not want to do so he did have the option of removing his son from St.Luke,he was not going to expel Ciara.
Aiden definitely realized what point Father Louis was trying to make because he immediately backed off and semi-apologized.
Hope, other than being out of the loop about what her daughter's been up to in school, hasn't done much. She's basically just stood there and let Aiden throw shit at her. (It's like Hope is channeling her inner KA - let people talk smack about you and make asses out of themselves, say nothing, and come out looking like the better person. lol.) That's not to say that she let him walk all over her, though.
I did find it odd,however,that Father Matt appeared to have known about the problem between Ciara and Chase but no one from the school contacted Hope.
I find that part odd as well. Maybe Father Matt hoped that he could resolve the issue without needing to involve the parents. And it's possible that Ciara & Chase were able to behave civilly for a while. I'm hoping we find out more when both parents & kids are in the same room.
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LMAO at Bev. "By the way ... what a bitch"

I'm glad they worked in some Father Louis/Hope scenes.

I'm also enjoying the start of Aiden/Hope. As much as I miss Peter Reckell and Bo, I've really liked seeing Hope on her own as a character, even with the limited screen time. Thankfully that seems to be improving. Daniel Cosgrove might have found a role that really suits him. I know the jerk tendencies will eventually be toned down but it's nice to see him in a daytime role of his own.

Boy, Nick is quickly making his rounds and I'm loving it. Love how he's blackmailing (and then threatening) Kate into giving him a job. Nice to also see Lauren Koslow be used more again. "Son of a bitch" lol

I am HERE for Abby rescuing JJ from Theresa. That girl is FINALLY her parents daughter. It's about time. And it's nice to see Kate Mansi do other things as Abby than prop Dannifer and whine about her virginity. I hope they make Abby/Theresa rivals. I like the snarky bickering and how Abigail basically put Theresa in her place. JJ and Abby also have great brother/sister chemistry and they work really well as believable siblings. I just hate judgemental Abigail. Girl, look in the mirror. I'm just glad they're finally writing Abigail well.

DEAD at Brady taking a drink in front of Maggie as he tosses down the book. LMAO. I do feel badly for Maggie, even though she's annoyed me for a while now (I miss loving seeing Maggie, not dreading her). These scenes were great.

I notice Guy's Will and Gabi don't have the sexual chemistry Chandler's Will had with her. But they still work really well as best friends and I really like how they've always been there for each other. And let's face it, most of the people in this town can't throw stones at anyone else, lol. I also like the confidence Guy's Will shows. Although Chandler's Will definitely worked, at times. Anyway ... I still say Guy's a huge improvement, at least in regards to how long Chandler was phoning it in.

Can they please write Sami a bit smarter than this, please? (although I hope it's just her wishful thinking and internal refusal to see what's the truth). Ugh, I also hated her awful awful disgusting apology to EJ last week (was it? or the week before?) too. This couple is so done. I have to admit though, the writers have done a great job with them overall (only very recently! Not really anything before 2013 TBH) and I never thought I'd say that. Ever ever ever.

EDIT: Actually, I think my problem with the Sami/EJ scenes lately is that it's all just for the plot point of when Nick pays Sami a visit and like when Sami apologized, it was simply for when the affair comes out. I mean, I get it, but I kinda hate I can see through the scenes and I really disliked how Sami was written.

OMG lmao at Jeannie Theresa and Anne cackling. I love them together.

I'm so glad the writers are seemingly able to actually WRITE a show again. Beats get played, there are actual storylines, characters have motives, there are actual stakes ... not to mention the daily script writers who churn out amazing work.
Edited by KMan101, Jan 31 2014, 12:18 PM.
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Oh and did T sure make the rounds in meeting Salemites on Wed. Damn. I hope this means they're establishing him more. He really needs to stick around. He's great.

EDIT:
DEAD. Loved the "so high" song playing with Brady at the club. Great little touch lol.
Edited by KMan101, Jan 31 2014, 12:55 PM.
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